Sir,
The strategy you are talking about has not worked for centuries and it used to be impossible to even say, what I'm saying without getting killed not too far in the history. All our Intellectuals, Philosophers, Reformers and Scientists used to be pulled in the courts of Mollaas, declared 'MorTiD' and beheaded. This was, what killed all the Sciences in Moslims, who used to be the most advanced in Sciences. Then, in British Days, we were just assassinated. Its nothing to get profanities from people, who could assassinate people like us before and are not succeeding much now. The truth has to be bold and open, not covered under Hijab to leave people guessing especially, when our people do not have much of thinking brain. You can not tell the teacher to stop grading me because if I do not get enough marks, my feelings would be hurt. You can not tell the teacher, to do not teach you something 100%. Its not Islam to cut corners and be diplomatic, when you are speaking the truth. I'm not running for any election that I have to keep everybody happy and be diplomatic in order to get everybody's votes.
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--- "K. Raisuddin" <Kraisuddin@...> wrote:
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> Sorry, I did never wanted to step into this mess, but it is going too far without any merits. I hope we become more constructive, leave out controversial points, that are quite unsolvable. No one must lie, but in the same token, telling some truths in the wrong place and in wrong time, is not right either. For example, a "moulovi" was doing "wazz" in a winter saying that using the "katha" (home made blanket) made with women's "sari" is prohibited in islam. In the night during the sleep time, the host came to "moulovi" and said "I am extremely sorry, all our kathas are made of sari and we have nothing else to give you to cover you during sleep." That night moulovi caught severe cold, got pneumonia and later died.
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> I hope none of us want to be in this situation. Truthfulness is good but being a bit diplomatic (without telling a lie) is not, perhaps, bad either. In practical life, everybody does some diplomacy, knowingly, or un-knoewingly. As for example, no one tells to their children, friends or the others, what happend between the spouses in the night. So, why to tell everything to everybody, when it is nothing but bitting the bushes. Sorry, for the interruptions. Thanks.
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> CC:
> From: turkman@...
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> I have never said this and what the hell this has to do with what I wrote, jerk?
> If you hate USA so much, why don't you leave USA?
>
> --- On Fri, 2/6/09, Jimmy Jumshade <jimmybug@...> wrote:
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> Any ASS-hole who thinks that "Invasion of IRAQ" was great is a total ASS-HOLE, with no clue about humanity or world Politics..............but an expert in kissing ASS of legitimized terrorists upon the world...............and it is "MUSLIMS" & not "MOSLIMS" retard.............................
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> --- On Fri, 2/6/09, S Turkman <turkman@...> wrote:
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> From: S Turkman <turkman@...>
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> What image of Islam?
> Don't you know, how so claimed 2 million Iraqis have been dead since US invasion?
> Because of Arab Shiyah - Sunni in-fighting. Arab Sunnis were 12% of the total population of Iraq and had been ruling forever. Saddam used to bomb Shiyahs and Sunni Non Arab Kurds on regular basis. Kurds are 22% of Iraq's population in the northern Iraq.
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> Iran, Iraq and Turkey have been slaughtering Kurds and Turkmen for more than half a century. Kurds claim 2 million have been killed. But why Turkey?
> Aren't Kurds and Turkmen also Turks?
> Yes but wrong tribes, may have a Kurd Sultan Salahuddin Ayubi be praised for defeating Europeans in Crusades in history books of all Moslims but they are not Saljooq, you see ...!
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> * No Arab or any other Moslim country has ever even filed a protest against organized killings of Kurds and Turkmen for decades just like they have done about native Black Moslims of Sudan.
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> * 2 million of those have been killed by Arab Sudanese in last 3 decades, no problem.
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> * Arab Sunni ruled Iraq supported by Arab Sunni Saudi Arabia fought a long war with Persian White Shiyah Iran killing a million Moslims of each other, no problem.
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> * East Pakistani Moslims were slaughtered by West Pakistani Moslims in 1971, no problem.
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> * Moslim Mohajirs of Urban Sindh were slaughtered by Moslim Government of Pakistan in 1990's, no problem.
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> * 6 Pak Army actions against Balochis, no problem.
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> * Pakistani Taliban invading Afghanistan and slaughering half million Afghans, no problem.
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> * Indonesia slaughtering a half a million followers of Founder of the Nation, Sukarno, ... no problem.
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> * Palestinian Refugees took-over a the richest and the most advanced Arab Christian Country Labanon destroying it and started killing Non Palestinian Nationalists, no problem.
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>
> THE PROBLEMS OF ISLAMIC WORLD?
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> The Problem arises only, when some Non Moslims kill Moslims so, ...
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> * killing of 50,000 Palestinians by Israel (since birth of Israel) is the biggest problem of Moslim World.
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> * In Indian Kashmir, about 14,000 Pakistani Terrorist Agents have been killed by India (though Pakistan falsely claims 96,000) and its the 2nd biggest problem of world of Islam.
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> ANALYSIS:
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> More than 10 million Moslims have been killed by their own brother Moslims and none of those killings have been any problem to Moslims or Moslim Countries. Allaho Akbar ...!
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> CONCLUSION:
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> Moslims have no problems killing other Moslims on the Ethnic, Racial, Religious or other grounds and the whole world knows this. This is why Moslims are considered like ancient Tribal Savages by the civilized world. They only unite against killings of their Moslims by Non Moslims and this proves they are like ancient Tribal Savages, who used to unite against a Foreign Enemy hugging their birth Enemies for time-being, temporarily in the Ancient days. Allaho Akbar ...!
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> --- On Fri, 2/6/09, RK <brisvegas123@...> wrote: >
> Is this the work of some Christian or Jewish or Hindu outfits? They are doing this to tarnish the image of Islam and its beloved prophet. Therefore do not trust those kafirs. The Muslim guy who blew himself has not read Quran and sunnah properly. Allah should have provided him with sufficient intelligence.
> Pakistan: Suicide bomb kills 24 near Shiite mosque
> By ZARAR KHAN – 1 day ago
> ISLAMABAD, Pakistan (AP) — A suicide bomber blew himself up among worshippers streaming toward a Shiite Muslim mosque in central Pakistan, killing 24 people and wounding dozens more.
> The attack in the city of Dera Ghazi Khan on Thursday risks sparking sectarian fury in a country already battling rising militancy along the Afghan border and tension with India over the Mumbai terrorist attacks.
> The bomb detonated as a crowd approached the mosque for an evening prayer ceremony. Television footage showed bystanders and emergency workers trying frantically to help victims lying in the darkened street.
> Athar Mubarak, the city police chief, said the bomb contained metal balls and nails. As well as the 24 dead, another 40 people were wounded, he said.
> "Evidence collected from the spot indicates that a suicide bomber blew himself up in the crowd," Mubarak said.
> Hasan Iqbal, the city's top administrator, said he believed that the Shiite gathering was deliberately targeted. He wouldn't say whether Sunni extremists were likely behind it and there was no immediate claim of responsibility.
> However, relations between this Muslim nation's strong Sunni majority and Shiite minority have already been tested by a series of attacks attributed to sectarian extremists.
> Much of the violence has been in Pakistan's northwest, where the Taliban and other violent Sunni groups have gained ground.
> In the deadliest recent incident, a car bomb killed 29 people and wounded scores near a Shiite mosque in the regional capital, Peshawar, in December. On Tuesday, a grenade attack killed at least one person at a Sunni mosque in the town of Dera Ismail Khan.
> Meanwhile, a suicide attacker detonated an explosive-laden car near a police station in Mingora, the main town in Pakistan's Swat valley, wounding a dozen officers and destroying part of the building, said Dilawar Khan Bangash, the police chief.
> Bangash said militants also fired three rockets before the attack and one damaged a nearby hotel.
> Pakistan is under pressure to clamp down on a string of Islamist extremist groups, including one suspected by archrival India and in Western capitals of being behind the November attacks in Mumbai that killed 164 people and nine assailants.
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> Associated Press writer Babar Dogar in Lahore contributed to this report.
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